From dev-return-91084-apmail-ant-dev-archive=ant.apache.org@ant.apache.org Mon May 21 21:07:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-ant-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-ant-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CEAC18CB3 for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 21:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 43005 invoked by uid 500); 21 May 2018 21:07:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-ant-dev-archive@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 42933 invoked by uid 500); 21 May 2018 21:07:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@ant.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: List-Help: List-Post: List-Id: "Ant Developers List" Reply-To: "Ant Developers List" Delivered-To: mailing list dev@ant.apache.org Received: (qmail 42921 invoked by uid 99); 21 May 2018 21:07:37 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 May 2018 21:07:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id B63A41A38B9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.879 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.879 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bNoiYKANvahd for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 21:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ot0-f170.google.com (mail-ot0-f170.google.com [74.125.82.170]) by mx1-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id A43AA5F27D for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 21:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot0-f170.google.com with SMTP id y10-v6so18443980otg.10 for ; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=TbO2H9NQzc8LJG+B7r4NgaLPYJzJCeE+iCbHk2k7i3M=; b=eDYup6YH7gBwoiPgjeDcou9K8XR4x+d2EWo1X3HFCHEiTtPzj71eZSAPR4ISXK4r3K 7sKSS55cDOs2UOcZaZjB9Z2R1BP/nAFfgQ6WCUquSva4tQn29Ll6TzWVMcKn+aDtZwxI BAp6tlqIQzUrtjVoUxwOdZjliGXEf0XYSuro439NGJh+/I5eij4O47EwbJNH7G+GyufU Cbfl2ihQa5SkWzQX3x1AFMukubUNl9Zurf35gVa83xIjasAGmSDOkLfTfmnTZnHiEAXi TiyElKSF6ltS3FaLXhSzi93dciaudjQ9K89CVFdblbAg0vOwnUZ4NZ5wyigXuQ5iB7jD /4QA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=TbO2H9NQzc8LJG+B7r4NgaLPYJzJCeE+iCbHk2k7i3M=; b=QUE820X03pTye5h0QLao8XfxI6VtCAsZqvLK4MWHk4Ai91HmvNY0o+G7U5ahG34Y7L RCZCEY+JK/lM9/gnmazYAW9/jynyNrn2afKC7raTcddrQkvOLLOHw3RVJpuz/tZSt862 2Ri8PEOoeBWjm3JKsVcKeUcM5fGWyh96c4xqebrnZxWda56sHeTAFdaRCIHe8bqwdMxp IY12VYDqRKHwSFYCYTbhPb2MdEF6sXEuGSdHl59O5SvvRvoWJminnskD4Tm8zcY8Jvkg MXJFH0NdWwdDznK2gRQ0g6Y0c6olfhQ8ieEW9/emTmI+h25XqaAzzPOOaeF+6SdI8h7i tnTg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwemAV2b+ijtmadBY/ox4s7XplkcW5UFYycc2wBSbxg9PVhuaE6W uwOVyZ/T1tqbY0PKNLl8tX7eBODfb4UwcXH99AI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpsSR3uIPhBUovXaNa0NJ39lfBXuNZBBCsv3Ky9MhjlqVmsOe0pi4HSe3x0JtdDm+a0/M0181ZtqtJiXaO7GMU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:16ee:: with SMTP id s43-v6mr13567951ots.290.1526936853044; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.74.209.45 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2018 14:07:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5922e87b713f4180a85000a2e4150b76@git.apache.org> <1038617953.2265237.1526538866559@mail.yahoo.com> <4c09ca54-1511-ca0e-1e6f-aa253835ee98@apache.org> From: Gintautas Grigelionis Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 23:07:32 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [1/2] ant git commit: Deprecate CollectionUtils and Enumerations; reduce explicit use of Enumeration To: Ant Developers List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b860b8056cbdb0a0" --000000000000b860b8056cbdb0a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-05-20 21:05 GMT+02:00 Gintautas Grigelionis : > 2018-05-18 16:11 GMT+02:00 Johan Corveleyn : > >> 2) There is clearly no consensus here on the merits / desirability of >> these bulk changes. Gintas, I understand your desire to move things >> along, and you clearly have an opinion about it, but IMHO you really >> need to stop doing any more bulk changes as long as there is no >> consensus. >> > > This time, I tried to start a discussion first, and I got no response. > There were attempts to modernize the codebase about a year ago. AFAICS > there was no discussion then. > What was that saying: "don't vote, don't complain"? I'd like some > discussion, that's all. > > I hear that the consensus is "new stuff is for new code, or at least > whenever one happens to change old code fixing the bugs". > I'm not quite sure whether that's a good idea, we should at least try to > achieve some consistency > -- and not necessarily sticking to the bottom line. > Or maybe I'm too old school seeing major version changes as necessitating > a porting effort ;-) > Just another .02=E2=82=AC -- if we agree on porting guidelines, there's no = need to squabble about "personal preferences". At the moment, the only "global" issues I see are "informally deprecated" JRE APIs (Vector, Hashtable, Stack,...) and the use of streams/lambdas. Gintas --000000000000b860b8056cbdb0a0--