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From Conor MacNeill <co...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Roadmap, goals, future of Ivy?
Date Mon, 24 Aug 2015 00:55:36 GMT
Stephen & Jaikiran,

Thanks for your emails. I don't think anyone would be offended by your
comments. They are well founded.

I do think we need fresh blood for the Ivy sub-projects.

Conor

On 24 August 2015 at 04:10, Stephen Haberman <stephen.haberman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jaikiran,
>
> FWIW I've made similar complaints about inactivity on Ivy, and suggested
> awhile ago that Ivy needs a new group of committers/contributors who are
> willing/able to put the time into the project.
>
> But nothing has happened.
>
> Which I found somewhat ironic, because I watched Apache Spark go through
> the incubation process, and Spark already had an extremely healthy open
> source community. And yet they were still occasionally lectured about "the
> Apache Way" of nurturing a healthy community/project.
>
> Which is fine, totally understood the Apache people were just trying to
> help Spark's long-term success; but then when I look at projects like Ivy,
> which is extremely widely used (embedded in Gradle, sbt, pants, used
> standalone via Ant, etc.), but the developer community is basically dead,
> well, it makes me wonder where the "Apache Way" zealots are and what went
> wrong.
>
> (Ant has a huge user base, but I'd actually assert more new projects are
> using Ivy, than are using Ant, *but* it's also very likely new project
> usage of Ivy is primarily via being embedded in Gradle/sbt/etc., and not
> standalone.)
>
> To me there is no harm in admitting when contributors who have done a great
> job over the years, are just busy with new things, and some fresh blood is
> needed.
>
> Totally understood you can't just grant commit rights to whoever submits a
> pull request. But it seems like some sort of purposeful effort to steward
> new committers/loosen the reins a bit would be worthwhile for the long term
> health of the project.
>
> Also, I don't mean to offend anyone; we use Ivy extensively at work, and it
> works great. I don't think anyone involved in Ant/Ivy is doing a "bad job",
> I think it's just a matter of recognizing the reality of the community's
> state, and dispassionately deciding what can be done about it.
>
> - Stephen
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Jaikiran Pai <jai.forums2013@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The past few weeks I've been trying to contribute by fixing some issues
>> that have been noted in JIRA. I've opened a pull request with a fix a while
>> back[1] and also have asked a few questions about some other issues that I
>> am thinking to work on. However, there has been no response, neither to the
>> pull request nor to the question.
>>
>> Is there any public roadmap, goals and future plans for the Ivy project? I
>> would like to continue contributing, but if there's no real plans to
>> continue development in the project, then I would just end up wasting my
>> time.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/apache/ant-ivy/pull/7
>>
>> -Jaikiran
>>
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