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From "Kevin Jackson" <foamd...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: suggestion : Ant 1.8 full dist to include a 'scripting lang'
Date Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:06:33 GMT
> Kevin, anything in particular you don't like about Groovy?

Hi Paul,

Nice to 'chat' to you :)

My major problem with groovy was it's instability - every time I
looked at it previously, something was mentioned as still being
unstable etc.

> <groovy>
> def scanner = ant.fileScanner {
>    fileset(dir: properties['src.dir']) {
>         include(name: '**/*.xml')
>    }
> }

ok, so we have a chance to make a 'new' language and we can already
see what 'works' or doesn't work - we are making it for the JVM and we
want this to be adopted by non-Java programmers as well as Java people
- why carry all those braces?  Perl had them for no particular reason,
and practically every new dynamic language has dropped them (for good
reason) - so why did groovy choose to keep them?  I'd actually be
interested to know if it's simply because Java programmers are used to
braces?

also def is being used here to define a new procedure or is it
assigning a block of code to a varaible?

Having just checked out the groovy site for the first time in years (I
admit I've not bothered keeping up with it as it seemed to be taking a
long time to get to a release), I notice this:\

def map = [name:"Gromit", likes:"cheese", id:1234]

Ouch!  map is a functional term, in groovy though map means
associative array/plist/dictionary/HashMap.

When I read groovy has native support for maps, I though cool!

list = [1,2,3].map( i : i*2) (or similar)

Well anyway, that's just a couple of reasons why I'm not as keen on
groovy as other people are - that said, I'll have to download the
latest version and play with it to re-evaluate it - after all if
Manning are publishing a book, perhaps it's now ready for prime-time
:)

Thanks for the feedback (I'm an old curmudgeon too and groovy just
sounds wrong as a name ;)

Kev

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