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From "Steve Cohen" <>
Subject RE: Submissions and Patches
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2002 01:00:39 GMT

>From another "occasional contributor" I also am trying to balance my appreciation for
the volunteer work the committers do, with some sort of assurance that the patches I submit
will be dealt with within some X time frame.  For example, do new releases go out while there
are patch submissions that have not been included?  I'm not talking about patches that are
questionable for some reason but of patches that no one has had time to get around to looking

I should say that the committers who have been responsible for my patches have always dealt
with them, but occasionally did require gentle reminders.

I think that there must be a place in the Open Source model for the person who fixes a problem
or has agreed to be responsible for maintaining a small corner of a large application, as
well as for the hero who devotes a large amount of time to the project.  Though the place
of the "hero" is larger, the "occasionally contributing user" also has an important place
in the Open Source ideology and should not be short-shrifted.

Again, I am not charging that anyone does this, but merely that it can be frustrating for
the contributor to have no idea when his patch will be attended to.

By the way, I expect to have a new StarTeam patch for Ant soon.  It's been over six months
since the last one, but that's a good pace for me and it's user-driven.  I am fixing what
the users who write have asked me to fix.

-----Original Message-----
From:	Gus Heck []
Sent:	Wed 10/23/2002 4:33 PM
To:	Ant Developers List
Subject:	Re: Submissions and Patches
I want to be clear; I do not mean to suggest that the commiters are not 
working hard, or that nothing new is going in. However, I have the 
feeling that the patches that are getting old are doing so because 
commiters deal with patches that interest them personally first. One can 
hardly blame them since they ARE *volunteers*. I'm hoping we can find a 
volunteer that is willing to say "I'll try to make sure even the booring 
patches get looked at and responded to within X ammount of time." (note 
that I said responded to not committed)

Of course it is not a matter of blindly commiting. (shiver at the thought)


p.s. I would hate to see anyone decrease their involvement because I 
complained about not getting my patch in... I still appriciate all the 
other work that _is_ being done.

Steve Loughran wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gus Heck" <>
> To: "Ant Developers List" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:49 AM
> Subject: Submissions and Patches
>>So is there someone among the committers who is in charge of reviewing
>>submitted patches and submissions? Or at least in charge of reading and
>>delegating review of patches and submissions? I sent a message several
>>days ago outlining patches and submissions I found in Bugzilla
>>(including mine) that seem to just be twisting in the wind. (appologies
>>for the apparent accidental cut-paste problem in that message)
>>It got no response, so I am guessing that it is because nobody thinks
>>this is their job to deal with new submissions.
> au contraire, it is everyone's job to deal with new submissions.
> It is also my job to
> -get stuff done at work, which today includes why axis doesnt like my code,
> which is why I'm delving into the depths of axis
> -maintain some modicum of a life
> so right now on my ant pending plate is
> -add DD's <which> task
> -commit Jesse's patches to VSS, SOS
> -finish off the incorporation of Brian's VBC task and refactoring of .NET
> stuff
> -add XsdToDotnet, fix WsdlToDotnet to handle multiple XSD files
> -get back to proposals/http and add good http support to ant
> Every submission takes time; its not just a matter of blindly committing all
> patches, as there are the tests and docs to integrate. I do try and balance
> my own contribs with other peoples work, and the great thing about bugzilla
> is stuff doesnt get lost there. But I cannot promise to commit new stuff
> right now, not till my todo list stuff is dealt with 'in my copious free
> time'
> -steve
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