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From Peter Donald <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Ant as a top-level project
Date Fri, 25 Oct 2002 02:41:52 GMT

I think there is a few different proposals here. 

Could/Should Ant be a top level project? We have at least one ASF Member 
(Stefan) so we should "qualify". Do we have enough active members to ensure 
healthy progression ? 

Personally I think it would be healthy for Apache if Ant (or a set of build 
related projects) moved to their own top-level project. A possible 
"federation" may be gump, ant, maven, centipede and alexandria (but in 
graveyard mode). This would hopefully make it more likely that people have a 
direct control in their own destiny and would also help promote 
responsibility in the committers.

So my opinion would be +1 for a top level project. Whether it is or or whatever I don't think is really that 

It would also help to get jakarta get back to its original scope which Ant is 
clearly outside of.

Whether Centipede, Anteater or any other ant based products written by Apache 
peeps comes to this project is another question. I have no problem with it as 
long as they go through and graduate from when it gets 
it's feet.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 00:49, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Dear Ant developers,
>     I'm mailing you following the discussion we are having on
> list ( about reorganizing
> the Apache project structure.
> Some of us think that a more "flat" project structure will benefit
> Apache, by making projects interact more directly with the Apache "core"
> instead of going through the indirection of Jakarta.
> This could help reduce the sub-sub-sub-project syndrome that Jakarta
> projects tend to have.
> Some projects have already shown interest in making a proposal to the
> board for becoming top-level, with their own PMC. Since the next meeting
> will be at the ApacheCon, they are getting it ready to submit it at
> least a week before that event.
> Ant is a very famous project, with a big user and developer base.
> As you may know Krysalis Centipede uses Ant
> heavily, and could be interested joining the Apache Ant project as a
> subproject.
> I'm quite sure that many Ant-based tool would like to.
> So, the question is, what do you think about making
> Thank you.


Peter Donald
 The fact that nobody understands you doesn't 
 mean you're an artist.

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