From ant-dev-return-13558-apmail-jakarta-ant-dev-archive=jakarta.apache.org@jakarta.apache.org Wed May 09 07:09:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jakarta-ant-dev-archive@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 51480 invoked by uid 500); 9 May 2001 07:08:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ant-dev-help@jakarta.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org Received: (qmail 51448 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 07:08:56 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010509171317.00a20ab0@mail.alphalink.com.au> X-Sender: gdonald@mail.alphalink.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:13:17 +1000 To: ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org From: Peter Donald Subject: Re: [Vote] Logging Cc: "ant-dev@jakarta.apache.org" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010509164421.00918300@mail.alphalink.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Rating: h31.sny.collab.net 1.6.2 0/1000/N At 11:55 8/5/01 -0700, Jon Stevens wrote: >> I did looked at last CVS version I had (mid April mod date) ... >> >> and I did a line count for logging service vs logkit ... >> Turbine: 5683 >> LogKit: 2649 > >Peter, why are you comparing Turbine to LogKit? You are making absolutely no >sense. because you pointed me to the loggin facade you built in turbine and how it is soo good ? >> riiiiight. You are a bundle of logic aren't you - ask Ceki which he thinks >> has been more stable over lifetime - should be interesting to see what he >> saids - no? > >Ask him. I have - wanna guess what his answer was ? ;) >> Like logkit JDOM is a part that is unlikely to have pluggable >> implementations - analogous to the Logging JSR and LogKit... like the vast >> majority of jdk really. But then again everyone else did it wrong - only >> you know the "one true way" right ? > >Peter that is utter bullshit and you know it. Why the heck do you think that >people are asking for the ability to plug logging systems? Why are you >completely ignoring that fact? people ask for a lot of things one of them being dowhile/if tasks in ant ... I am ignoring it because so far no one has given a valid use case - nothing but religious arguements have out. >Logging != JDOM well done - you get a skippy badge for that ! >> I will do it if you will. Then again I don't really expect you to believe >> in your own "logic" so I guess it is a safe bet for me. > >Peter. I want pluggable logging systems and I want Ant to support that. I'm >strongly -1 on your proposal. End of discussion, it isn't going further. Sure it is - you need to give a reason for wanting pluggable systems. If not your vote is moved to a -0 (fun these rules aren't they). SO give me a use case where it could be vaguely of use to have multiple systems bound to Ant. Cheers, Pete *-----------------------------------------------------* | "Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof." | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-----------------------------------------------------*